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[Feb. 7th, 2005|10:59 pm]
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"Progress with men who love one another, considering themselves brothers and sons of the one Father, God, can be a marvellous thing. Progress with men who do not recognize in God the only Father, becomes a constant danger." - Pope John Paul II

hey guys,
I've been doing a lot of research on JP recently because he's been sick and they fear he's going to die soon. Any how, I was at the Vatican's website and I came across the quote and I was really bothered by it.

I'm posting it here to spark discussion on a two-fold topic that I've been thinking about for a few weeks now. It's been touched upon slightly in the first couple of posts in here about the code of morality in respect to religion.

Here are my questions:

1. Could a person be morally good without prescribing to the doctrines of the Judeo-Christian faith? If you disagree, tell me why.
2. What is your definition of moral?
3. Are moral and ethical synonymous? Explain your reasoning.

and then there's the second part... often, I get really offended when people try to talk to me about religion because they do it in such an offensive manner. As if just because I do not believe in a specific (whichever the religion of choice happens to be) diety then obviously I am not a person of comporable morality, which really pisses me off. Consequently, I'm wondering if I offend people when I discuss religion with them? Do you think that non-religious or non-traditionally religious people are offensive to others because of their so called intellectual interpretation of the faith? Amongst our discussions, past and present, have you (if you're religious) been offended by the comments of one of us that isn't particularly religious?

The reason I'm asking this question is because I've been doing a lot of thinking. I feel as if I look down upon people for having faith. I sometimes think that they are blinded by their faith and rationale and logic fail them. I speak to them in condescending tones and often times, if they are zealous enough, don't give them the time of day. Granted, some people deserve it because they're being close-minded but am I so open-minded that I've become close-minded? Am I belittling them for having faith because I so desperately need to believe in something to but can't bring myself to accept it?

This has taken a bit of a personal turn but I'm okay with that. Please share your thoughts.

P.S. Welcome, Mark. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
P.P.S. Have you guys read Jack Kerouac's On the Road
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[User Picture]From: i_hunt_veggies
2005-02-08 10:44 pm (UTC)
3. yes, they're the same thing. the only explaining i can really on this is by saying they're synonomous by virtue of definition.

ethics-relating to morals, especially as concerning human conduct.

moral-concerned with the distinction of right and wrong.

so, the only way in my mind that they couldn't be synonomous is a matter of personal definition, if you define them differently, they're different. if you're goin by a socially-acceptable, dictionary definition, they're the same.

2. defining good morals for me is a pretty easy task: help your fellow man.

1. of course

hey everyone, hope its goin good
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